tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post3051963568180981269..comments2024-01-30T11:58:34.293-05:00Comments on Every Square Inch: What Happened to Demas?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-55974268022658904422007-11-10T23:59:00.000-05:002007-11-10T23:59:00.000-05:00penelope g. is my 10 year old daughter's pen name....penelope g. is my 10 year old daughter's pen name...sorry, she was logged in instead of me.<BR/>and it is also too late at night to worry about it.<BR/>lots of love<BR/>nancyPenelope Guarderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04189525211510303007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-4110417499633264302007-11-10T23:57:00.000-05:002007-11-10T23:57:00.000-05:00ah, very good, thank you! :-)ah, very good, thank you! :-)Penelope Guarderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04189525211510303007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-1586996068361361262007-11-08T14:33:00.000-05:002007-11-08T14:33:00.000-05:00NancyThanks for your thoughts. I think I understa...Nancy<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your thoughts. I think I understand your concern - it would typically be wrong to "judge" someone. However, scripture is presented to us as authoritative to and profitable to instruct us. <BR/><BR/>We do know that Demas was "indicted" for his desertion against Paul - without speculating much more, we know that Scripture portrays what he did as wrong. I think all I did was tie in the fact that in Philemon, he was noted as a trusted fellow worker. I am drawing attention to a specific point of application - no matter how well we seem to be doing, no matter how respected we are for our godliness, we need to continue to press on, persevere and relentless pursue...lest we too falter at some later stage.<BR/><BR/>I don't believe this is judging but consistent with what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 10, with regard to the example of the Israelites in the OT. These biblical characters and narratives serve as examples to warn us.Every Square Inchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636924397725214300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-12806275871540638942007-11-08T12:30:00.000-05:002007-11-08T12:30:00.000-05:00yes, a good point. i would not want anyone to falt...yes, a good point. i would not want anyone to falter near the end.<BR/><BR/>however, since no one really knows what happened to demas in the end, is it fair to us him as an example? is it fair to use anyone as an example, since we do not know what is in a man's heart?<BR/><BR/>what do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-88700067513746513872007-11-05T21:00:00.000-05:002007-11-05T21:00:00.000-05:00NancyI echo your sentiments about the need to guar...Nancy<BR/><BR/>I echo your sentiments about the need to guard my heart against the influence of the world. <BR/><BR/>My question about Demas was just to highlight the possibility that unless we guard our hearts, we may follow closely for many years only to falter near the end.Every Square Inchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636924397725214300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-70688162996734479042007-11-05T20:17:00.000-05:002007-11-05T20:17:00.000-05:00i think that it is none of my business what happen...i think that it is none of my business what happened to demas.<BR/><BR/>i find it very much a decision of heart as to being in the world but not of it. no one can know what is in someone's heart except God.<BR/><BR/>as for my on heart, it truly needs to be protected from the world.<BR/><BR/>Luke 8:1414<BR/>The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Proverbs 4:23<BR/>Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-66051443101455676522007-11-05T01:56:00.000-05:002007-11-05T01:56:00.000-05:00I know there's other explanations for that, and at...I know there's other explanations for that, and at times those are surely true. I do believe a true Christian can end up forfeiting it all in the end. Though I'm not dogmatic on that, and it is a peripheral issue for me. But to believe that God and his grace is behind my continuing on in the faith is surely not peripheral. I just don't see everything as so cut and dried in the way human theological systems often see it. The Bible is more like a forest when it comes to that, so that things arent' so neatly and coherently, in our eyes, tied together.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-12085776701525565382007-11-05T01:52:00.000-05:002007-11-05T01:52:00.000-05:00ESI,I believe in perseverance also because of God'...ESI,<BR/>I believe in perseverance also because of God's work and grace to us in Christ, and that this is the norm for us as his children. <BR/><BR/>But I dont' anymore think that a true Christian might not apostasise(sp?). I tend to think this is possible. But only when one deliberately rejects God in Christ. And I think it seems quite rare.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-24970498191437072462007-11-03T22:32:00.000-05:002007-11-03T22:32:00.000-05:00TedI understand what you mean by taking the "teeth...Ted<BR/><BR/>I understand what you mean by taking the "teeth" out of warning passages. We don't think enough about the warnings.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if the phrase "once saved, always saved" is helpful or accurate but I do believe in the preservation of the saints where God will keep the ones he saves to the end.Every Square Inchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636924397725214300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-39324697967673924152007-11-03T03:25:00.000-05:002007-11-03T03:25:00.000-05:00I look at Demas and the letter of Hebrews and I've...I look at Demas and the letter of Hebrews and I've often thought we Christians, in the name of eternal security or perseverance of the saints yank the teeth right out of the warning passages.<BR/><BR/>I'm more and more convinced that Christians can sin against the grace of God and keep doing so, to the point of no return. Not that they can't repent by God's grace at a later time.<BR/><BR/>I see so many Christians during my life who believe in this "once saved always saved" (and yes, I've so believed as well) who really are convinced that they can do whatever out in the world, and yet they're "saved". But Bible salvation is emphasis on present tense, I believe- not denying the past or future.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, don't know about Demas. He may have never had it in his heart, or he may have left that all behind. And maybe he repented.<BR/><BR/>Solomon is another one who makes me wonder even more as to where he's at now with God.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-54447464921900382712007-11-01T18:24:00.000-05:002007-11-01T18:24:00.000-05:00LL,As I responded to RLP, I think there may be a d...LL,<BR/><BR/>As I responded to RLP, I think there may be a difference in the way we're called to love the world and the way it's used here... perhaps?Every Square Inchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636924397725214300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-5585021665746174352007-11-01T18:22:00.000-05:002007-11-01T18:22:00.000-05:00SusanYes, perhaps Demas realized the error of his ...Susan<BR/><BR/>Yes, perhaps Demas realized the error of his ways and returned...wouldn't that be a nice surprise to find that out in heaven!Every Square Inchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636924397725214300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-37621229883727741432007-11-01T18:20:00.000-05:002007-11-01T18:20:00.000-05:00RLP,Thanks for your thoughts on the post...you mig...RLP,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your thoughts on the post...you might be right about Paul's words on Demas but it seems that Demas' is reproved for his love for this present age. <BR/><BR/>Unlike you, I'm no preacher ;-) but I think there's a difference between "love the world" as in "For God so loved the world..." and the way that it's used in Paul's indictment of Demas or in 1 John when it warns "do not love the world or the things in the world..."<BR/><BR/>In the former, it's about loving the people of the world...in the latter, it's the loving of the system of this world which is passing away.<BR/><BR/>What do you think?Every Square Inchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636924397725214300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-29779403626778806982007-11-01T14:47:00.000-05:002007-11-01T14:47:00.000-05:00I always find the hard part of this is... the worl...I always find the hard part of this is... the world was made for us to love. Where that becomes a hindrance, I'm not sure it's always easy to determine.L.L. Barkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13333960142447144678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-33967919193294082932007-11-01T09:23:00.000-05:002007-11-01T09:23:00.000-05:00Link back to here from today's blog entry - thanks...Link back to here from today's blog entry - thanks for "stirring the pot".Halfmom, AKA, Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545176965972986964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-5495570506318420552007-10-31T15:46:00.000-05:002007-10-31T15:46:00.000-05:00I guess I always hope that he realized the error o...I guess I always hope that he realized the error of his ways and returned to Paul before his death.<BR/><BR/>It is a sobering thought though that you could walk so well for so long and in such company and then just walk away.<BR/><BR/>Funny - this is about the 3rd or 4th time that same scripture has come up since I posted on it. I read it again this week in an Andrew Murray book and heard it today on a Tozer CD.Halfmom, AKA, Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545176965972986964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951012.post-88350605744475091792007-10-31T13:07:00.000-05:002007-10-31T13:07:00.000-05:00Good thoughts and questions. I've always been puzz...Good thoughts and questions. I've always been puzzled by Demas as well. And, given Paul's personality, I've wondered sometimes if Paul might have been a little harsh with him. Remember how he treated John Mark in Acts? It broke his friendship with Barnabus, who is one of the great unsung heroes of Acts.<BR/><BR/>In my view, these are letters so it's hard to tease apart Paul and his theology.<BR/><BR/>So I've wondered about old Demas.<BR/><BR/>But there is no question that all of us love this world. We're even commanded to love it, right? But keeping it straight and not going too far is a challenge for me.Real Live Preacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03757644935379896122noreply@blogger.com